Hi. Here's something I've been mulling over...
It is widely believed today that children begin life psychically aware and that their environment (culture, parents, teachers and other influential individuals) influence them in very many cases toward diminished psychic abilities.
If this is true, what is the diminishing or restrictive factor? Is it in the brain and nervous system? A change of patterns or a blockage in the brain's recognition activity? Or is it totally "non-material" (e.g., in the energy field or aura)? Or is it a "decision" made at an even deeper level of human activity/identity?
Probably most people have had some "sixth sense" experiences during their adolescence or adult lives. A lot of people down through history have experienced the occasional psychic dream, for instance.
While many people today believe that psychic abilities in infancy and young childhood are very common (some people even say universal), this is a pretty recent concept. In the Victorian era, a bit over 100 years ago, it was commonly held that a person had to "develop" in order for higher-consciousness centers to begin to function - and then that person would experience conscious awarenesses like frequent telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance, and esoteric scientific kinowledge. That viewpoint was probably the predominant one into the middle of the 20th century, and even after that it's been fading away only slowly.
I've met hundreds and hundreds of people, and only a few have said that any of their friends, relatives, or children are notably psychic. I realize we've attracted a rather special group to this tribe... and perhaps this group is uncommonly psychic (or maybe not... I'm not sure).
Anyway, what do you believe the realities concerning innate psychism may be? And if we're each born that way, what restricts a complete manifestation of this in our lives?
Tanemon
It is widely believed today that children begin life psychically aware and that their environment (culture, parents, teachers and other influential individuals) influence them in very many cases toward diminished psychic abilities.
If this is true, what is the diminishing or restrictive factor? Is it in the brain and nervous system? A change of patterns or a blockage in the brain's recognition activity? Or is it totally "non-material" (e.g., in the energy field or aura)? Or is it a "decision" made at an even deeper level of human activity/identity?
Probably most people have had some "sixth sense" experiences during their adolescence or adult lives. A lot of people down through history have experienced the occasional psychic dream, for instance.
While many people today believe that psychic abilities in infancy and young childhood are very common (some people even say universal), this is a pretty recent concept. In the Victorian era, a bit over 100 years ago, it was commonly held that a person had to "develop" in order for higher-consciousness centers to begin to function - and then that person would experience conscious awarenesses like frequent telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance, and esoteric scientific kinowledge. That viewpoint was probably the predominant one into the middle of the 20th century, and even after that it's been fading away only slowly.
I've met hundreds and hundreds of people, and only a few have said that any of their friends, relatives, or children are notably psychic. I realize we've attracted a rather special group to this tribe... and perhaps this group is uncommonly psychic (or maybe not... I'm not sure).
Anyway, what do you believe the realities concerning innate psychism may be? And if we're each born that way, what restricts a complete manifestation of this in our lives?
Tanemon
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Sat, April 12, 2008 - 11:01 AMI would say sound, and, the sun. It just dosen't sound that great sometimes, including unsatisfied egos that talk. The sun makes sure that a person, once they are older, are surviving, so the mind is busy. A smart person gets around these blocks I think.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Sat, April 12, 2008 - 11:42 AMyour mind -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Sat, April 12, 2008 - 12:44 PMOkay... but if it's your mind, is it also your brain?
Because some people think you can play around with brain chemistry (by using ayahuasca, peyote, or LSD) and be psychic - at least for a few hours. -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Mon, April 14, 2008 - 9:00 AMDishonesty...
The self is always in a state of denial, the more this is seen and understood the more obvious everything else becomes.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:13 PMPsychedelics can place you into the present moment and can give you a break of ego driven action. So long as you don't fall into the games of the mind, it can work. Anything that gets you into the present moment will increase your psychic sensitivity, because there is no illusion in the present moment.
I started to moniter a process inside me a while ago that appears to making a connection between karma and sleep. I started to notice that if I didn't happen to meditate, than I would end up having all of the day's stress being stored into long term memory, which I feel has a connection to karma. I can imagine that after a few years of having a cluttered mind, you will be more concerned with the clutter than the mind or the life that powers it.
If this is too abstract, than I will just say that if childhood doesn't occur as nature intended, than I can imagine that adulthood won't occur as nature intended.
Also, since you were interested in psychedelics being correlated to psychic experiences and childhood, than I will say that the pineal gland (which makes it's own psychedelic chemicals as well as the part of the brain most famously associated with the psychedelic experience) shrinks upon puberty, according to the research. Since the pineal gland produces melatonin, it also stops releasing the larger amounts of melatonin that it was used to.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:37 AMThis is what happened to me:
When I was young, I had visions of the future on a regular basis. I tried to tell my parents about them, and they said it was all in my head and that I was imagining things. Being young, I assumed my parents knew what they were talking about, when infact they had not a clue.
For a long time I believed that it was just my imagination, and during that time my abilities were silent. I forget what it was exactly that brought me out of that, but I am grateful that it happened.
Now that I am older, I have become aware of what exists in the small world that my parents live in, and it does not include anything "psychic" or "paranormal". Hell, my dad says ghosts are supernatural and that they don't exist, which I find rather rediculous.
So, for me, my parents were the ones holding me back/restricting my abilities. Neither of them seem to have any potential, well, none that I can see anyway. They are two people who are very much "asleep". -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:23 AMothers' fear hurts things -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 3:09 PMI would say a fear of your own abilities. In this sense, I agree the notion that it would be dishonestly to yourself.
Growing up I had many psychic scenarios. One moment an image would pop into my head, and would happen the next. The scenario was not always a good one. i.e. someone getting sporadically injured, etc. In this sense, I felt that it was my fault, and that I was causing these things to happen, because I could see them happening.
The "good" psychic images were a normal part of my intuition. But within today's society I feel that psychic abilities are not welcome, and many implement the pathology that it has no benefits in the "real world". I disagree, and am trying to break free of this negative way of understanding myself.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 11:32 AMRalph, personally I agree with most of what you've said. (Also, many other insights that people have offered, so far, on this thread seem valid.)
Being "in the here & now" is very good, in many ways - and, I'd think, that includes being more inwardly-sensitive to one's psychic dimensions. But I do not know that it is the only factor. I mean, some people are markedly more psychic than others, even when we compare people who can calm their minds, be in a distractionless environment, and be in the here & now. So what other factor(s) might be at play?
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:50 PMNow, is the only place that miracles take place, cause only Now can your energy manifest itself in the forever moment.
Energy, hyper, active, movement, flow, creativity, move your hands, your feet, your heart to the drum beat in your head, dance... let the energy flow and then focus your mind on One thing and One thing only, the happiness and obviousness that all is connected and forgiven, Now Learn.
Poof! Magic. Things can jump, move and breath, when you are sitting still. The mind can sit still, and when it does, the sidewalks move, the trees are like paint and true colours start to shine, this place then is a new playground. The playground of the Now magic.
There is only 1. 1 magic composing the songs of the universe, get to know this magic, as the Now moment.
Project thoughts into what is present, not the past, not the future, to much energy is wasted in those time frames that are long gone, or still moldable because they havent arrived. Silence is Golden. -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 11:48 PMI hear people telling their children "it's just your imagination"...to explain away things that they can't explain. The imagination is where psi lives, and develops. So, we are taught to disregard and disbelieve very early. We learn to color inside the lines and forget our mystic selves..as either dangerous (people who hear voices are crazy!)...or fantasy and childish. Adults and grownups should be rooted in "reality", not fantasy - nor mysticism.
Science is finally beginning to take psi seriously, so should parents and families. They should study how to help their children keep their skills. -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 1:05 PMIt is very bothersome to hear parents and teachers say things to kids like,
"it was just a dream"
"it is just your imagination"
"it is all in your mind"
And so on...
Well my response to those parents and teachers is... Exactly!!! It IS our dream, it IS our imagination, and it IS all in our minds. WE as a species create the outside world through our collective unconscious. So to me, downgrading our dreams and imagination is not only silly, but completely ridiculous.
Everything start off as an idea, dream, thought... and it all stems from imagination, which comes from creation. And in the end it is all the same thing. hehehehehehe
What restricts an individuals psychic abilities? Well, all the other responses are right on. I just want to add that our collective human consciousness adds too this. Until more people start to really experience the veil lifting and consciousness rising... many people will experience bumps in the road. Wake up humans, WAKE UP NOW!!!
One day we can all laugh at these times, and remember when our species acted in such silly ways. hehehe -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Sun, April 27, 2008 - 5:36 PMMy mom wasnt like that... she is god-fearing.. so she believes in things like the devil and angels. So when I told her I saw a scarecrow in the backyard when time stoped, I told her I wasnt afriad when I walked up to it but got nervous when it wasnt doing anything, I told her I zomed back where i was standing before I heard nothing. Went i showed her... she just said " uh.. what do you mean what thing? a scarecrow? where is it now? well its not there anymore.. it shouldnt bother you then "
But I saw her eyes, she kept looking where I showed her like she wanted to know or see what I saw.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Mon, April 28, 2008 - 12:18 PMMan, I have to laugh at myself sometimes... cause I just ramble... teehehehehe
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Sun, May 4, 2008 - 10:33 PMYour consciousness is beng constantly reflected through a house of mirrors, and it losses momentum as it get attached to something it sees in a mirror, and so now the reflection has been given your life force to manifest itself to it's greatest level.
I once heard a story of a zen buddhist monk who was about to roll off of the wheel of life, and suddenly he had a vision of a beautiful deer, and then he found himself so attached to it's beautity, that he was reincarnated as a deer.
Psychic powers are not a mind thing. It is all feeling, once you feel everything, you are it. People only think that psychic insight is a mind thing because it starts at the mind, they first become aware of their mind. Then they start to feel their thoughts, but then, thoughts are relaxed, and then you become aware of your body. Not directly through sensory experience, but by your awareness of your self as an integrated being.
Here is an interesting thing. someone once said that it is pointless to enjoy the fruit of your own labors.
I decided to try to make it more clear by saying that it is pointless to get caught up in the result of meditation ,because it breaks concentration, and if you can observe your mind without reacting to it, meaning to all the patterns is revealed and you see that all is psychic.
So make sure you don't give your ego a highfive when you attain some cosmic wisdom, I have found that to be counter productive.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:41 AMwhatever! ur post was great! -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:29 PMThanks, I never really tried to understand form until I started to feel the way it unfolded into life in and around me.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:10 PMhi ralph, yes, your post was great. i was trying to respond to collen's apology for rambling. way to go all us tuned in folks!
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 7:50 PMI'd ride a middle line on the question of whether abilities are innate or "developed" (as you say Victorian-era folks believed.)
When I went through the Clairvoyant Program at BPI, as you can imagine I began experiencing a great number and variety of "non-ordinary perceptions." Were I relating these experiences to an outsider, I could see how that person might be concerned about the rapid melting of my previous existential paradigm (i.e. everyday consensus-reality) and the challenges to sanity such things tend to entail. And yet, I was fine. I saw Beings hanging out and darting to and fro, I saw auras around people, I could communicate telepathically ... no big deal. I didn't even necessarily "believe" in such things before, but seeing & doing them was nevertheless an easy thing to assimilate.
The reason none of it bothered me was that I realized I'd been doing these things all my life, but in some sub rosa compartment of consciousness. I'd filtered it out of ordinary awareness, because I'd been trained to. Psychic training was really just shining a light in some previously-darkened room of my mind.
In my half-baked theorizing, I've tended to trace the "why" of this all the way back to the beginnings of civilization -- i.e. the shift to agricultural as opposed to hunter-gatherer lifeways ... the expulsion from the Garden of Eden, the shifting of mental priorities and resultant loss of connection to immanent spirit in all "things." But it's just a theory.
So in a sense, this "development" is more a matter of unlearning the ways of civilization, or at least giving them their proper place. And yet, there is a certain kind of rigor one learns in using these abilities in safe and, I guess, "accurate" ways. It's like we're born with the tools, but they do need calibration and the experience of how best to use them ... just like any other ability we use in life.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:32 PMAlso, one thing that doesn't do us much good is over indulgence. The body has to remain sharp through moderation with food. If you can fast for a few days, that will help you gain a sensitivty to what you need to do. Then it's all about maintaining cleanliness. -
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 11:18 PMi totally agree. whenever i restrict my calories or fast, things become much clearer. it's funny, i though tthere would be some big bang or something, but the clarity and intuitions while fasting came through as more of a simply knowing with out questioning and without any fogginess. cool!
also, i relate to the feelings thing. i've been dealing with some interesting side effects of my growing clairsentience. it sometimes comes in the form of kind of psuedo shape shifting into other people in momentary flashes! i'll just all the sudden channel someone's energy. feel myself embodying them for a second or so. kind of creepy. especially when i did it once with a girl who was the girlfriend of an old polyamorous lover of mine. the energy must have come from her through him to me! i have done this conciously before with animals, but now old intimate friends and sexual partners are coming through uninvited. guess i've been holding this energy for a while.
anyone have advice for this? i'd love to clear these old energies out intentionally. i think it will do wonders for my creative and psychic clarity.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 2:18 AM*** anyone have advice for this? i'd love to clear these old energies out intentionally.***
Quickie drive-by advice:
Take a second and notice 5 physical differences between yourself and the person you're "embodying." This helps disentangle your energies.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 6:20 AMThe best thing about the fast is the feeling that I am meditating all the time.
I only had that experience of entering someone elses body while I was "high" on mushrooms and it only lasted a few seconds. To think back on it, I think it was a last ditch effort for self preservation since the ego knew more drug was going to kick in soon.
Being that instead of leaving your form into a formless state, you are entering a different form, its more than likely a problem with grounding. When is a situation like this, relax inward towards your energy body and surrender. This should clear your mind, and if something else happens, then it maybe some deep rooted pattern that needs to be resolved.
Meditation would do wonders for you, if you are not allready practicing. But don't look for methods of getting you high. Its more important to remain alert while resting your body. By doing this, it will break the connection between alertness and movement, therefore you could cultivate alert stillness. -
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What restricts an individual's psychic abilities? How about self-preservation?
Fri, May 23, 2008 - 10:23 AMWhat restricts an individual's psychic abilities? I was wondering the same question for the longest time. How about self-preservation as a possibilitiy? Years ago I saw a science-fiction movie on a fellow that was able to enhance his psychic abilities. However, while it seemed like an amazing feat, it was not with out its draw backs. The major consequence that was in controlling his own inner feelings from manifesting externally. Many of us encouter unpleasant people in our daily lives. There are those that cut in line while waiting at the check out counter to those that make disparaging remarks about our physical appearances. While most of the time we just bite down on our tongue and say nothing, those kinds hurtful remarks still bother us. We may get so angry that we wish a ton of bricks would fall on their heads. If we were telekinetic, we could literally make that happen. If we all had this ability, how would we defend ourselves from someone hurling a ton of bricks at us? Perhaps it was a part of our own evolution that to protect each other form ourselves, deep with in our own psyche we have built-in control valves that are normally set in the "off position," therefore keeping us from manifesting externally what we are thinking.
I've been doing a few thought experiements on attempting to openning and closing these valves. In being very empathetic, I discovered that the valve so to speak is left in the on position when I'm attempting to sense people. When I can sense and feel people, the link that is created to receive their feelings can also be used to transmit feelings. For those of you that are empathic, try it some time.
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Re: What restricts an individual's psychic abilities? How about self-preservation?
Sun, July 6, 2008 - 7:37 PMStress.
If you can't relax, you can't receive information.
Every now and then I hear about someone getting a psychic vision or receiving an important piece of information under extreme stress, but for the most part I have found that I can't tune in if I'm not relaxed.
When I had a job I loved and no debt, no worries, I used to get random flashes of insight all the time, without asking. Now, I have to meditate, clear out the house, and get in the right frame of mind to even begin. I know it's stress in my case.
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Re: What restricts an individual's psychic abilities? How about self-preservation?
Mon, July 7, 2008 - 11:03 AMYes, It is stress.
I mentioned earlier the relationship between karma and memory. Well stress is part of the equation too.
The result of meditation is stress release. Now there is a sense of stress in the mind, and then there is a sense of stress in the body. Normally I will feel my body disipate stress, then, when there is space in the body, the mind can release stress into the body for further purification. Once my mind releases stress, the feeling of "All Knowing" happens sponatiously.
Same thing happened to me ivy, once secular issues started to kick my ass, my psychic energy dropped off, and so did the insight. Hence, why I havent wrote anythign on any tribe or anything else for that matter recently.
It's just another reason why I prefer a simple life. When my life has complications, I often lose concentration and give way to the paranoia that serves as a subtle reminder throughout the day to do this or that. Those unconscious thoughts are very taxing on our nervous systems.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Mon, July 14, 2008 - 9:21 AM.
to me it is all about sensitivity.
so... what is it that "dulls" us.
- as humans we are always so inundated. with ad messages. with social messages that tell us how to be feel and act... and to me... those dull you.
- habits - recurring reactions instead of real and genuine actions. we may have a "set" reaction when someone says something to us... I react in a very specific predictable way to various stimuli - a compliment, an insult, a beautiful sight, a scent, a sound... monkey mind reactions whether "good" or "bad" are patterned reactions.
this constant chatter of message and patterned reaction... fill the brain and mind until there is no silence.
and how can you hear a message over the symphony.
That symphony could be cacophonic or sublime.
and substituting one symphony with another, while may be satisfying, or gratifying, or more relaxing... is still noise.
and here comes the part that never ceases to cause controversy especially on tribe...
in my opinion... using a chemical - be it psychedelic or fasting or endorphins to "silent" the brain is not real.
It is the brain convincing the brain that something "new" is happening. but, it is still noise. a different, more "exciting", more calming, more "deeper" symphony.
We are a society that wants it and wants it now... the ancient sages would meditate on a subject for a great deal of time and even with insight they would continue to mull... now we eat a mushroom and call it macaroni. and then say "wow... what a great insight" and accept it because it was presented in the most beautiful wrapping paper imaginable.
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Re: What restricts an individuals psychic abilities?
Mon, July 14, 2008 - 6:45 PM"and here comes the part that never ceases to cause controversy especially on tribe...
in my opinion... using a chemical - be it psychedelic or fasting or endorphins to "silent" the brain is not real.
It is the brain convincing the brain that something "new" is happening. but, it is still noise. a different, more "exciting", more calming, more "deeper" symphony. "
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Brain Chemistry
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:01 AM
I have had wonderful, beautiful experiences on various drugs natural and pharmacological.
and I appreciate everyone of them.
I wouldn't change any of them.
but I think it is a dangerous supposition that just because the brain has been "altered" that that inherently means better or deeper or truer... it is just different.
It *is* a different perspective and valuable in that way - but, it may be dangerous and foolhardy to believe that the only criteria for better or more truthful is "different".
I went through a great period of fastings and trying out various dietary experiments and still hold that fasting is important and valuable to the greater well-being for humans.
today I eat in moderation, sensibly and good real whole food, and fast 3 to 4 times a year.
For me... it was an epiphany that brian chemistry altered my perception and "altered perception" still needs to be held up to light and discerned for its truthiness.
I want to be very clear... this is in no means personal... this is a choice I have made - a huge personal insight that applies to me - and my own awareness of my inner workings and brain chemistry... there is no judgment or castigation on anyone else.
And like all personal insights, I am open completely (and fully hoping ) for dialogue on it... I may be wrong and ultimately completely open to that possibility/probability.
my point of view is my point of view and is not an attack on anyone here or anywhere. Dialogue at its foundation is about respect.
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Re: Brain Chemistry
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 1:36 PMI feel quite satisfied with what you wrote.
I'm suprised that you didn't mention the paradox. There is usually a point when someone who has used psychedelics to wake up starts to question the path, but realizes that the only reason the are questioning their path is because they were introduced to it through a drug.
I stopped caring about the side effects of the plants (hallucinations), and focused on the stillness that could be cultivated. If you could use it to anchor yourself in the present moment, than it It does help. I just don't need that kind of energy in my body anymore. I am quite fine with my practice.
And what about those people who have not tried a heroic dose of mushrooms? Well, that is an incredible life changing experience for the better, and if you could handle somehting like that, then thats great. Unfortunately, there are those who can not take this specific kind of medicine due to it's peculiar effects on the nervous system.
Some people experience delusions of grandeur. Because they have acquired knowledge through the chemical, their ego will feed off fo the memory of the experience, because once the drug wears off, the insight turns into conceptual memory stored for the purposes of building a spiritual ego.
We also have to keep in mind that these plants are rarely used in the context in which tye were used for thousands of years. Lots of us have played do it yourself shamans, and some of us are lucky that it didn't cause psychological damage. The appealing aspect of psychedelics is the type of suffering that one can endure whole under this experience can be quite useful for cultivating compassion, love and cosmic intelligence, because after all, this type of experience can be a rite of passage for many to whom the plants speak to (symbolically, not literally).
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